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The Smash Bros Discussion Thread

Nap1400 said:
I will understand hating Melee players for other things, but this is one thing that I vehemently feel like I must defend. Melee had a sort of tension when it came to getting knocked off the stage. You had to play carefully in order to be able to get back on since you don't know if that recovery will save you. That was part of the fun. Brawl...kinda made it boring since it was way to easy to recover with ledge snapping being a thing. Plus it caused infinite ledge camping, and that's no fun.

The only thing I didn't like about Melee's ledge physics was that you couldn't grab the ledge if you were facing the wrong way.
I mean, that definitely feels like something that should be on the player and not the game, but still.
 
Goodbye18000 said:
Oh my God it literally says their group name in big bold letters
Sorry, unfamiliar with groups with names like that. At first I thought it was a joke like Goomba #3219, I didn't look at it close enough.

Also, I'm not surprised with Pacman being slower, the trailers made him out to be a more defensive character. Plus the custom equipment thing may make him faster, so eh?
 
Goodbye18000 said:
Alph alt for Olimar (incl. name change), Fire Peach, Ice Luigi, Fierce Deity, Pajama Toon Link, Galacta Knight, Shiny Charizard
Alph? Huh, I never actually played Pikmin 3. Guess I'll have to google image search hi-WHAT THE FUCK GOOGLE
 
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Jutsei said:
Now hold on a fucking second Goodbye.
Which one of those were alt costumes, and which one of those were alt colors, huh!?

All colors, but some change small textures apparently. They said Fierce Diety changes his face.
No super official confirm on it as no pics/video are allowed.

Dr.Sanity said:
Alph? Huh, I never actually played Pikmin 3. Guess I'll have to google image search hi-WHAT THE FUCK GOOGLE

Wow, porn on the first page with safe search on.
 
tbh I'll be disappointed if we get a clipfest opening again like Brawl because like they can make a cutscene for some pop group but not the opening of the game??

More importantly though, I hope Peach gets a Shadow Queen alt like Project M
 
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Fierce Deity Link makes me so fucking happy you do not even understand. Galacta Knight is pretty damn badass too. I can't wait to see some other alts in action, it sounds like they went further than anyone expected.

Goodbye18000 said:
ew melee ledge physics

First of all, not at all. The ledge physics in Smash 4 is quite unique from any other game so far, both impressions and Sakurai's PotD dedicated to ledges confirm this.

Second, what the hell is the problem? Melee and Brawl ledge physics aren't very different.

BeatNinja said:
This made my heart skip a beat. Makes me really happy, I really wanna play/get good with this character.

MAINING THE FUCK OUTTA ROBIN.
 
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i hope shadow queen never gets referenced ever again
 
From 2ch:

Olimar has Alph as a costume

Robin's hair model doesn't change. Only color changes.

Fox has a Wolf color scheme (possible the poster is confusing it with the black Fox from Brawl)

More:

He can't rise with his tornado. Shuttle loop is like a shitty Dolphin Slash.

Down smash is the same speed, but potentially not as much knockback

Up air more recovery frames.

Metaknight has Dark Metaknight and Galactaknight costumes.

https://twitter.com/x/status/508078093617995776
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Edit 2:

According to this[2] , Fierce Deity Link is an alt and his face changes

White tunic and Purple tunic confirmed

His down air has less recovery frames, but doesn't have as much knockback.

Boomerang throwing animation is more reminiscent of how it used to look in 64

Edit 3:

Black and purple Yoshi alts, but no white[3]

Edit 4:

I found this[4] lol, I'm pretty sure it's just some j-pop group

Edit 5:

Charizard's up throw is seismic toss, similar to Kirby's throw.

Edit 6:

Costumes/colors atm

Peach: Fire Peach

Yoshi: Black, Purple (no white)

Link: Fierce Diety (may be full alt, face at least changes), White, Purple

Toon Link: Pajamas

Pit: No black color

Palutena: Viridi color

Olimar: Alph (full model change)

Meta Knight: Dark Meta, Galacta Knight

Fox: Wolf color (may just be Brawl's black Fox)

Pikachu: Gold/Silver's Trainer Hat, X/Y's Trainer hat, Party hat returns

Charizard: Shiny Charizard

Robin: His hair color changes, but not the model

Pac-Man: His color doesn't change, but he wears accessories.
 
By the way, you guys should be spoiling all this.

That also means go back and spoil every post you've made about this demo 'leak' (not really a leak I know).
 
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Jutsei said:
Stuff that should be spoiled

Crayolan said:
By the way, you guys should be spoiling all this.

That also means go back and spoil every post you've made about this demo 'leak' (not really a leak I know).
 
Ruin said:
i hope shadow queen never gets referenced ever again

Now I'm confused, weren't you the one saying tTYD was good?

Crayolan said:
By the way, you guys should be spoiling all this.

That also means go back and spoil every post you've made about this demo 'leak' (not really a leak I know).

Pretty sure all of this is part of the starting roster, I don't think they're going to make costumes or mechanics unlockable.
 
uh

so apparently

some of the stuff was made by trolls

but since it was added to the lists and stuff

no one knows what's real or not

fuck

Crayolan said:
By the way, you guys should be spoiling all this.

That also means go back and spoil every post you've made about this demo 'leak' (not really a leak I know).

or just don't go on here?
 
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Plus it is a demo released before the game comes out. If they wanted it to be not spoiled they probably wouldn't have put it in, I think.
 
OKAY

Zipzo from Smash Boards is our reliable source. Pictochat 2 is confirmed as a stage.

all the info from Zipzo

I JUST PLAYED.

I will be more thorough later but right now.

  • Ledge snap SEVERELY nerfed. I feels like Melee ledge grab.

  • Meta knights up b is like Marth's up b. It hits people like once and sorta knocks them away and has an upward direction to it.
His tornado still has a lot of hits but you can DI it pretty easy because the hits are actually less frequent, I don't know yet about its priority.

  • Pivot cancel is still in

  • Pac Man is SLOW. Every single one of his aerials are kicks. His forward aerial is a double kick, his back air is like Mario. The thing that stood our about him is his utter sluggish-ness. His fall speed is like brawl. His run speed is slow. His forward b sends a pellet out in front of him, and then he turns in to classic pacman and boosts towards it. It's kind of like greninja'd shadow sneak thing except you can't time it.

  • lucario is unchanged except his smash attacks feel MUCH faster.

  • peach is unchanged except for her up aerial. It's now a rainbow thing, it has an arched hitbox over the top of her head, she draws it with her hand.

  • Zelda has a white costume
Editing this post for more as we speak

  • Sonic still dies pitifully if you end up in a spin without a jump
This sounds AWESOME, except for that Sonic part... why...

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  • Ike feels unchanged. I was never an Ike main so I don't know the specifics but his attacks were all the same general thing, nothing new I noticed.

  • pacman. He feels slow, but his attacks felt like they had a good hitbox, because he's really fat and his legs stretch when he kicks. He just felt really interesting to play, but I ended up using his aerials the most because of their hit boxes.

  • Peach's turnip pull speed is nerfed. She can still move in to float to do things like crown and nair. Her fsmash goes tennis club, golf club, and frying pan. I believe it's a set order now.
Pacman sounds super freaking fun omfgiwanttoplayhimsobad.

Post 3:

Shulk and robin are playable.

Man I'm freaking jealous, my two favorite newcomers...

Post 4:

I have no context as I don't play peach much :(.

  • sonics forward b snaps to the ground, it is really fast now.

  • his uair is like a scissor kick, has a way better hitbox than the twist kick thing.
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  • ledge stalling may be impossible now? If you drop from the ledge and jump back up, you literally will just NOT grab it. It's like the ledge gains invulnerability to your grab for a certain time after you let go. DO NOT TAKE THIS OUT OF CONTEXT. I am not 100% sure I need to try it again on my 2nd go around but in my last match I basically lived on the ledge trying this out.
I could no re-grab the ledge directly after letting go and jumping back in to obvious grab range.

I will play Shulk this go around. And robin.

Post 6:

Someones question: Big question. Are the blast zones still set very far out? Click to expand...

Yes. Characters even go bubble status on battlefield without dying.

Post 7:

  • palutena's smash reach is incredible. Her up smash is the giant pillar laser beam thing. Her side smash moves a bit forward and her wings slap in front of her.

  • robin is FANTASTIC. Magic is not slow, when he has his spell book his attack speed is really good. If you use a smash attack in the air IT USES HIS MAGIC SMASHES. If you use a normal aerial it uses his other weapon.
Let me reaffirm this. Robin feels AMAZING.

YESSSS ROBIN

Post 8:

  • Lucina is not playable.

  • chrom appears in robins victory pose.

  • they are really right on pictures and video. I almost got kicked out for trying.

  • villagers up b is the most overpowered recovery I've ever seen.

  • whoever is worried about combos, there are combos.

  • YOU CAN CANCEL RUN WITH SHEILD.
I THINK I JUST CAME, SMASH 4 TOO STRONK

Post 9:

I'm about to get my next play through. More coming. Will test dash dancing. The ledge mechanics again. Playing as Shulk.

Will test teching on landing lag animations.

About 30 seconds here...

Temp Edit: Smashboards seems to be crashing a bunch and is SUPER slow, which makes it hard for me to get the posts, and it's probably harder for him to post about the game. If possible please got off of Smashboards and just read this post to alleviate the sites servers! Thank you!

Temp Edit 2: Someone that has a Smashboards account please post about this Reddit post on the Smashboards thread so they can come here instead of having people on the site. I would but I can't post a link with under 10 posts...

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  • Shulk has amazing spacing options because his Monado reaches so damn far

  • The game still has a sense of floatiness to it that is present in brawl. It's definitely not like Melee where you drop like bricks.

  • shield rolling is extremely fast and there's a neat little sparkle star effect when you do it and acting out of shield is as well. I think of it like a mini-wave dash. No wave dashing or l-cancelling. Just rolling baby.
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  • pacmans forward a is a combo like Marth except with punches

  • his down aerial is like lucarios except he kicks like 2-3 times.
Post 12:

-Peach's forward B has BARELY any startup time anymore (the butt slam) It felt REALLY FAST.

Post 13:

  • Marth double fair is not possible.

  • Shulks second jump is a somersault. Feels funny. All his smash attacks have a strange millisecond-ish load-up time before they come out. The Monado powering up or whatever.

  • the ledge is DEFINITELY tougher to grab and there is no snap. Unfortunately both Marth and Shulk flip for their 2nd jump so I could not test ledge re-grabbing within a short window of time because it waits for their flip animation to finish before actually grabbing.

  • ZSS comes in dark blue, really light blue (lighter than her normal costume) green, black, and red.
 
Goodbye18000 said:
uh

so apparently

some of the stuff was made by trolls

but since it was added to the lists and stuff

no one knows what's real or not

fuck

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Goddamn Tanner don't...

GONNA GIVE ME A HEART ATTACK.
 
Jutsei said:
I don't really think the colors/costumes are spoilers, that kinda stuff gets me hyped.
Goodbye18000 said:
or just don't go on here?

We're using our personal judgement to decide what counts as spoilers now? I'm sure that will end well when a character not on the leak roster is discovered and someone who doesn't think of it as a spoiler posts it outright. Using personal judgement for deciding spoilers is a terrible idea, please spoil everything to be considerate for everyone.

Also, there are definitely people who consider alts that let you play as entirely different characters as a big spoiler, myself included normally. For this iteration of Smash in particular I'm not getting the 3DS version and simply cannot wait for the Wii U version to find out stuff, so I don't care about spoilers, but other people do.

ANYTHING NOT OFFICIALLY REVEALED ON THE SITE OR MIIVERSE IS A SPOILER.

Edit: And before anyone tries to be snarky, no, posts on this demo by random miiverse-ers don't count. They are still spoilers. Only Miiverse posts by Sakurai/pic of the day count as "not spoilers".
 
TheMightyBox said:
Now I'm confused, weren't you the one saying tTYD was good?
i like TTYD but i literally hate everything about the Shadow Queen sans her second battle theme on a good day
 
Ruin said:
i like TTYD but i literally hate everything about the Shadow Queen sans her second battle theme on a good day

Oh okay.
I remember not being able to finish TYD because I couldn't for the life of me beat the Shadow Queen.
So, uh, same?
 
More from Zipzo

Peach's butt bomb is hugely buffed. It has barely any startup time anymore.

- link has a costume with like red markings under his eyes. It looks nothing like link... But his eyes are whitened and has red markings and he's dark colored clothing. There's also a white and blue link.

- toon link has the four swords colors + old style link color, the black with red eyes.

- there is no Melee dash dancing. It's incredibly hard to do with the circle pad but it's essentially the same thing as brawls. IE not super useful or practical.

- I retested ledge mechanics.

I WAS RIGHT. I used megaman this time and reaffirmed my experiences with Ike.

There is a short and small window of time after dropping from the ledge that the ledge becomes "immune" to your grab.

This has NOTHING TO DO WITH THE TRUMP MECHANIC. It was completely individually on the character. It is not very apparent on characters with flips for 2ndary jumps, as the ledge grab action waits for the flip to finish and the window for "ledge immunity" seems to end before the flip animation does. Megaman and Ike do not have flips, and it was impossible for me to the ledge after jumping/falling off it for a period of time.

I am essentially 100% of sure this.

edit: more
Pikachu has a hat with sunglasses on the front costume, and a fighter headband (red and black colored I think).
megaman has a green/orange costume, and white/red costume, a blue and white costume
 
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Goodbye18000 said:
Pikachu has a hat with sunglasses on the front costume, and a fighter headband (red and black colored I think).
megaman has a green/orange costume, and white/red costume, a blue and white costume

Well, that white-red costume is his Items/Rush, the blue-white one is Air Shooter, but I don't know what the green-orange one is. Tropical Hazzard?
 
Charizard's up throw is seismic toss

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Sakurai....you....I'm so fucking happy. One of most memorable parts of my childhood can be lived out in Smash. I can't even put in words how happy this makes me, despite seeming like a minor change.
 
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At the end it looks like he got bitch slapped by kirby :p
 
Charizard can be purple

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