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Would it be pertinent to add that Annie's story outright confirmed that Gehenna is Double?
The thread is intended for information confirmed outside the games so not for this thread no. I would remove entries that are (explicitly) confirmed or disconfirmed in the games though.
The thread is intended for information confirmed outside the games so not for this thread no. I would remove entries that are (explicitly) confirmed or disconfirmed in the games though.
Okay this is something a bit interesting that one of the devs said on Discord. I think it's worth adding into the thread:
So adding this item to miscellaneous list:
- The SGM story is a variant world where the player has a participating role, like how 2E stories are what-if stories
Now, some change logs based on what were confirmed in Umbrella's story, so just gonna be removing items from the main list. Spoilers for her story obviously so read at your own risk:
Removed:
Around 10- to 11-year-old (Umbrella's age is confirmed in her story to be 11)
It is not known whether King Franz is still alive or not - either he's dead or he's gone and will come back later, "whichever is cooler" (Confirmed in Umbrella's story)
Not as many items as I thought but I guess we never had that many things confirmed about Umbrella in the first place.
- The SGM story is a variant world where the player has a participating role, like how 2E stories are what-if stories
It makes sense why they'd do this just so it's not required to read for the sake of canonicity but dangit I thought we were that much closer to getting a canon story.
...but they didn't outright SAY it wasn't canon, just that it was another branch in time. Maybe the events are canon, just not us being there? I don't know at this point LMAO; if SGM's story isn't canon that def makes some origin stories non-canon too (Valentine's and Parasoul's off the top of my head)
Anyway Umbrella's story mode is out!! Yeah I noticed there wasn't too much lore that was either new or previously teased--just stuff we already gathered from other sources.
It makes sense why they'd do this just so it's not required to read for the sake of canonicity but dangit I thought we were that much closer to getting a canon story.
...but they didn't outright SAY it wasn't canon, just that it was another branch in time. Maybe the events are canon, just not us being there? I don't know at this point LMAO; if SGM's story isn't canon that def makes some origin stories non-canon too (Valentine's and Parasoul's off the top of my head)
I believe the SGM story he is referring to is the SGM "main" story i.e. where you are the Lab 0 experiment and join the Egrets, etc., which is why he referred to "the player having a participating role". No reason to believe the Origin Stories aren't canon at this point
I think we can treat the story similarly to 2E stories where there are probably hints of things that would/could happen canonically. For example, the SGM story spends a significant amount of time showing the Black Egrets going after the Medici. This isn't really shown in any other stories, but it does confirm that Parasoul views the Medici as criminals and are trying to bring them to proper justice using the Egrets, even if she's not actually doing it at the moment in the canon timeline.
I think the writers probably figured that treating SGM main story as another what-if is the best way to move forward. Looking on the bright side, I think that opens the opportunity to allow the SGM story to have the freedom for the player character to get in all sort of adventures without needing to worry about contradicting a canon timeline in the future. If they ever make more chapters for this story anyway lol.
Anyway Umbrella's story mode is out!! Yeah I noticed there wasn't too much lore that was either new or previously teased--just stuff we already gathered from other sources.
Yeah. I think I ended up changing the thread more based on Parasoul's Origin Story lol.
I believe the SGM story he is referring to is the SGM "main" story i.e. where you are the Lab 0 experiment and join the Egrets, etc., which is why he referred to "the player having a participating role". No reason to believe the Origin Stories aren't canon at this point
I think we can treat the story similarly to 2E stories where there are probably hints of things that would/could happen canonically. For example, the SGM story spends a significant amount of time showing the Black Egrets going after the Medici. This isn't really shown in any other stories, but it does confirm that Parasoul views the Medici as criminals and are trying to bring them to proper justice using the Egrets, even if she's not actually doing it at the moment in the canon timeline.
I think the writers probably figured that treating SGM main story as another what-if is the best way to move forward. Looking on the bright side, I think that opens the opportunity to allow the SGM story to have the freedom for the player character to get in all sort of adventures without needing to worry about contradicting a canon timeline in the future. If they ever make more chapters for this story anyway lol.
I was about to say "Valentine's and Parasoul's Origin Stories both reference events from the Mobile Main Story tho" until I realized they...don't actually. Like at all. So I guess Origin Stories are safe!
Yeah like I said, it makes sense why they'd do this since they don't have to limit themselves to Mobile's story when making more canon content and vice versa. I'm at least hoping they'll use the opportunity to make more Mobile story content tho--it's been years since the last Origin Story and the 2E stories can only do so much in the cutscene time that they have.
Didn't want to make a new thread for this so putting it here:
I collected all the flavour texts for SGM Deployments and typed it up in a document. We did pick up information about Golgotha from this earlier so I thought it would be worth to collect them all in a searchable format for later reference. Some interesting stuff there but no idea how canon they are supposed to be:
This is already known info but I'm just archiving this confirmation from Discord since the previous time this was confirmed, it was in an old stream mentioned in the old lost thread from 2013.
Reconfirming that Living Weapons may take different forms and do different things depending on the wielders:
Reconfirming that Living Weapons may take different forms and do different things depending on the wielders:
Yeah, it would we weird otherwise. Or the horrors that Samson was talking about in Umbrella's story mode were just Hungern drooling all over the planet and eating kilotons of ice-cream.
I would like to see a bit more lore regarding Living Weapons, but I guess we'll need to get the true story mode first. This information could be kind of spoiler-y.
Yeah, it would we weird otherwise. Or the horrors that Samson was talking about in Umbrella's story mode were just Hungern drooling all over the planet and eating kilotons of ice-cream.
I would like to see a bit more lore regarding Living Weapons, but I guess we'll need to get the true story mode first. This information could be kind of spoiler-y.
Yeah I think we will probably continue to get a slow drip of info regarding the nature of Living Weapons even as we get more non-canon stories (I actually think we got quite a bit of clues from Umbrella's story).
Actually I doubt it will be fully revealed even in Nightmare Legacy; I expect it could be up to part 2 or 3 until we find out the true nature of Living Weapons and their relationship to Parasites (if any).
The youngest princess of the Canopy Kingdom, Umbrella is rarely seen outside the halls of the royal palace in Canopolis. She has grown up sheltered, with her only true friend being a family heirloom: the Living Weapon Hungern. Together, they fight evil and kick butt in the name of justice, just...
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Heads up that Umbrella's official bio is out if anyone hasn't seen it.
Skullgirls Mobile social media account/in-game promotion confirms Sister Agatha's birthday is on 11th May, although since Agatha isn't a real person, it is not clear what this date actually refers to (The "birthday" of this persona? Just an "official birthday" on her legal papers?) - Based on subsequent social media posts in later years, her "birthday" actually appears to fall on International Mother's Day, which is the second Sunday of May, regardless of the actual numerical date. Her birthday art features students from her Sunday school, and the significance of it falling on Mother's day is probably self-explanatory
Added a new entry for Umbrella based on what Cellsai said on Discord:
It is likely that the Renoirs had avoided using Hungern unless, like in Umbrella's case, it is absolutely necessary. Without Hungern siphoning off her life force, she may already have turned fully Skullgirl. Umbrella's physical development might have been affected as a side effect of Hungern's power drain
The tone is speculative but I have confirmed with him that it should be okay to add to this thread. As with anything else collected here, it's canon until it's not. :p
Felt that this would be interesting to add since there has been speculation that Hungern has no ill effects on Umbrella since her Skullgirl blood power is so potent. However; looking at how small she is for an 11 year old, being with Hungern all the time can't be healthy for her
Felt that this would be interesting to add since there has been speculation that Hungern has no ill effects on Umbrella since her Skullgirl blood power is so potent.
Isn't it his thing at all? He drains a lot of energy anyway, Umbrella is just the one, who can survive wielding Hungern.
Maybe someday we'll get a lot more information about the Living Weapons. There's a lot of questions right now.
I've always been a fan of the suggestion that umbrella's hair is supposed to red like parasoul's but its turning white with skullheart power, so it's pink.
Isn't it his thing at all? He drains a lot of energy anyway, Umbrella is just the one, who can survive wielding Hungern.
Maybe someday we'll get a lot more information about the Living Weapons. There's a lot of questions right now.
Yeah, Hungern would absolute kill anyone else who wields it that long. Umbrella has so much energy that she can survive it, but it is not without cost to her as well.
And I think it also raises the question of the long-term viability of using Hungern to control her condition. Can she keep using it without it eventually causing an early death for her? Or maybe her SG blood will eventually get so powerful that even Hungern can't control it and she will turn anyway?
I've always been a fan of the suggestion that umbrella's hair is supposed to red like parasoul's but its turning white with skullheart power, so it's pink.
My own theory is that she was born with very pale red hair (i.e. pink) and red eyes, which neither of her parents had. They probably thought it was albinism and/or some form of sickness she was born with. It was probably not until Nancy turned into the Skullgirl that the others would realise why Umbrella was born the way she was.
I've been away for far too long, but I'm enjoying that not only is the game continuing, but the lore has been steadily continuing! Gonna enjoy catching up!
New lore hints dropped on Discord, added to Filia's section accordingly:
- Based on current story outlines, Filia is at least partially to blame for Carol's whole deal
- Samson has "reasons" to not telling Filia stuff and effectively sacrificing her to the Skull Heart, despite his characterisation in SGM Origin Story
I'm leaving the "current story outlines" wording in, but I think it's probably worth to remind everybody once in a while that everything in this thread is based on the most current info but are not set in stone and could be changed at any time lol
- Moved Bloody Marie up from potential to playable character :p
- Included a link to the cut endings in the first post, since they are interesting lore info. Note that they should be considered apocryphal info (like most of the information collected here), rather than canon, since they were never properly included in the game
We're mostly in a lore drought here, so I'll take anything I can get. Here are a couple of minor details for Dahlia that were confirmed on stream:
- Dahlia lost both her legs and her right arm in her first fight with a Skullgirl. Possibly something happened to her face too, but no one knows what it looks like now, not even the devs (it was also confirmed in another stream that they don't even have what her face looks like in her reference model sheets)
- Dahlia's teleport is her moving so fast it looks like she vanishes, rather than altering reality like Peacock's
- Dahlia lost both her legs and her right arm in her first fight with a Skullgirl. Possibly something happened to her face too, but no one knows what it looks like now, not even the devs (it was also confirmed in another stream that they don't even have what her face looks like in her reference model sheets)
Here's an interesting thought: is this before or after she's fixed up by Geiger and turned into the prototype ASG unit? If it's before, then it'd explain why she was patched up and the extent of the repairs, and would give her a motive to fight future Skullgirls. If it's after it'd still give her a motive, but it would also explain why she'd fight the Skullgirl in the first place, since she's part of the ASG. Unless it was like...a chance encounter or something?
Here's an interesting thought: is this before or after she's fixed up by Geiger and turned into the prototype ASG unit? If it's before, then it'd explain why she was patched up and the extent of the repairs, and would give her a motive to fight future Skullgirls. If it's after it'd still give her a motive, but it would also explain why she'd fight the Skullgirl in the first place, since she's part of the ASG. Unless it was like...a chance encounter or something?
I think putting 2 and 2 together using this information and the previously given information:
Dahlia was the first ASG; essentially a prototype. She was gravely wounded in a Skullgirl attack and Geiger put her back together.
It sounds like she already was a fighter in the beginning and fought the Skullgirl, rather than being simply caught in a Skullgirl attack as a non-combatant. The fact Alex used the phase "put her back together" makes it sound like her injuries especially her loss of limbs would have occurred at that time. So she actually fought a Skullgirl before becoming a prototype ASG, then got fixed up and later joined the Labs.
But yeah, keeping in mind that this was before there was even an ASG Lab and Dahlia was an ASG prototype before Geiger established the Labs. In the past and even now, there have been plenty of people who are not enhanced but have fought against the Skullgirl for whatever reason. For example, regular soldiers such as the Egrets have fought Skullgirls as well. Perhaps Dahlia was some sort of soldier in the Canopian military, or simply was caught up in a situation where she had to fight to protect people from a Skullgirl attack.
She used to work as a maid along with Marie in Rommelgrad, before they were captured by the slave traders
Thanks to Tat001 on Discord for bringing my attention to it. I did some digging and it seems to be a legacy piece of info that I added before details were revealed about Peacock and Marie's past in No Man's Land. In the old lore, it was certainly true that Marie did work as a maid, but the newer lore contradicts it, since Marie was confirmed to only wore the maid uniforms that were left at the orphanage by the previous owner, not actually working as a maid.
So while I was doing research for the previous post, I got sidetracked into trying to find the backup of the original "canon lore info thread", since a lot of the older information came from there. The unexpected result of my search is gonna be kinda long so I'm breaking this into several sections. Please bear with me lol.
Background
For people who don't remember it (basically everyone who joined this community less than 9 years ago lol), the Skullheart forum had a huge disaster in 2013 where all the data was completely wiped with no backup made. This means every thread, every comment and even user data were lost forever. That's why even the "oldest" members here have join dates in 2013 even though this forum had been around for longer.
One of these threads was "Big Fat General Lore Discussion - What We Know", which is basically the precursor to this thread (the "What We Know" part in this thread name is a tribute to it). Throughout 2013, we had been collecting lore info that were confirmed by Alex and other devs in that thread. After the forum went down, we were able to recover (some of) the first page through Google Cache, but there were 3 pages of info and most of them were lost forever. Unlike my thread, the OP didn't regularly update the first post with new info, but the worst part is that the first post had all the info archived in spoiler tags, the contents of which didn't get cached by Google, so it would have been pointless anyway!
When I originally made this this thread (or at least the previous version of it before the pre-2021 forum got archived), me and a few other fans basically just had to recall items from memory and regurgitated them into the new thread, but obviously we didn't remember a lot of them and I'd given up that the info were pretty much lost.
The Good News (Kinda)
While I was searching, I actually came across a Japanese fan thread on shitaraba.net (https://jbbs.shitaraba.net/bbs/read.cgi/game/54363/1332489387/) (archive URL: https://archive.ph/s9Yd7). It seems that there were English-speaking Japanese fans who were translating what we posted in the Big Fat Lore thread into Japanese for other Japanese fans. These seem to include info from the later pages that I thought had been lost forever. I'm not sure I can quite convey my excitement through text.
So, here they are. I'm not very good at Japanese so I used machine translation and had to edit some wording or spelling.
It's obviously worth to note that these are tertiary sources (translated from Japanese translated from English from forum posts of information confirmed on streams that had been deleted), so the reliability of the info is probably not the highest, but honestly it's not much worse than most of the info already in this thread. Usual disclaimers apply.
- The Medici family once ruled the Kingdom of Canopy, but at some point the Renoirs supplanted them (Already in this thread with slightly different wording)
- [Cerebella] is a circus performer who entertains her fans, pleases her friends, and is devoted to Vitale, the man she loves as her father. (Not significant since it can be pretty much worked out in her bio and story)
- [Cerebella] is a pure and selfless daughter (I think this is supposed to mean young girl), but she ends up benefiting evil. (Same as above)
- If Valentine is an anti-hero who has been driven by her principles, Cerebella is the opposite - she is what we might call an anti-villain. If that's the case, then perhaps it is her destiny to be defeated by Peacock, the hero. (Interesting that Peacock is given example here as the hero)
- The existence of Lab 0 was not made public, and therefore it was possible to conduct unethical experiments. (Already collected)
- Lab 8 specializes in the development of synthetic parasites. Lab 8 specializes in the development of synthetic parasites. (Already collected)
- Parasites are immortal as long as they are parasitic on the host, but they can only live for a short time when they are separated from the host. (Somehow the Parasites being immortal part is not already in this thread even though it's widely known -__-")
- Samson is very bad at keeping his hosts alive. He changes hosts often." (I could have sworn I already had this info in this thread but apparently it's not)
- Hunger eats anything, but spicy food is his favorite. (Already collected)
- Feng is 17 years old. (Already collected)
- It was King Franz who put an end to Queen Nancy. (Already known)
- It is undetermined whether Franz's umbrella is the umbrella of death or the umbrella of conquest. (Already known)
- Yu-wan has a brother named Shumai. (Already collected)
- Adam's last name is Kapowski. (Already collected)
- It is no coincidence that both Isaac and Aeon can manipulate time; they are related.
- The fact that the Lab 8 kid was in danger or that the big band needed help is the story of Ileum. Ileum's story is that she decides to join the fight.
- Aeon's torso can rotate.
- The details of Panzerfaust's past have yet to be established. (Sorta outdated due to SGM main story)
- The mother goddess may also have a parasite, but Alex was not forthcoming.
- Annie has beaten Skullgirl in the past. She has also drawn with double.
- Black Dahlia and Ottomo are both major figures in the mafia. (Already known)
- Black Dahlia is not very fond of Ottomo, but they have a good [working?] relationship.
- Patricia has also worked as a maid. (Outdated as discussed in previous post)
- Marie is 14 years old. (Outdated)
- According to official information, synthetic parasites are extremely difficult to mass produce. Natural parasites are impossible to reproduce.
- As long as they are parasitic on humans, they can live semi-permanently, but they cannot produce offspring. Samson, for example, has a big appetite but no sex drive.
- The production team said Hungern is more powerful than Krieg, which is why Parasoul gave Hungern to Umbrella. (More-or-less outdated as of Umbrella's story establishing the reason why Hungern was given to her)
- Parasoul is called the Warrior Princess of Steel. However, compared to Valentine, she is not as fierce. (Kind of weird term {鋼鉄戦姫 - machine translated to warrior princess of steel}. Without the original English I'm not too comfortable to use it)
- There used to be several ninja nurse units, but all but the Last Hope have already disappeared.
- This is because the transplantation of synthetic parasites is extremely dangerous, and the mortality rate of the patient is high.
- In contrast to Lab 0, Lab 8 is often regarded as a benign entity. They may be mad scientists after all. (?)
- According to the official information derived from the live broadcast, theonite is a kind of element. (Already collected)
- One of the original ASG labs was [inspired by] the CIA's MK Ultra project, specifically Lab 7. That's the department where Valentine and Brain Drain were from.
- Umbrellas are 10-11 years old (Already confirmed)
- Leduc is 14-16 years old (Possibly outdated since newer info says he's "about 16")
- The grand war lasted about 10 years before it ended 7 years ago. (Already known)
- Hurting is not a Living weapon, but a very sturdy chair. (Already collected)
- Grendel's mother and Scythana are not related.
- At least Delilah was a very important host for Samson, he said. (Already collected)
- Alex thinks that "Valentine" is a code name and that her real name is Valerie. However, he is not sure and will reconsider. (Outdated since Valentine's real name is confirmed)
A lot of these info are probably things you might have seen floating around the fandom before. Most likely they were also independently collected from the old thread or the original streams, I just hadn't verified them previously.
If anyone is good with Japanese, please feel free to check the thread and let me know if anything is not accurate or if I have missed anything.
New Info added to OP
Based on the above and comparing with what I already have on this thread, I will be adding the below entries to the first post. There are some entries I'm quite sure about since they have been collaborated by English-speaking fans, so I'm marking the ones that don't seem as well-collaborated with notes so people can make their own decisions:
Filia & Samson:
- Samson is very bad at keeping his hosts alive. He changes hosts often.
- Since Parasites cannot produce offsprings, Samson, for example, has a big appetite but no sex drive. (Achieved from old lore thread by Japanese community)
Cerebella:
- If Valentine is an anti-hero who has been driven by her principles, Cerebella is the opposite - she is what we might call an anti-villain. If that's the case, then perhaps it is her destiny to be defeated by Peacock, the hero. (Achieved from old lore thread by Japanese community)
Annie:
- Annie has fought Double to a stalemate
Black Dahlia:
- Black Dahlia is not very fond of Ottomo, but they have a good [working?] relationship. (Achieved from old lore thread by Japanese community)
Isaac:
- It is no coincidence that both Isaac and Aeon can manipulate time; they are connected. (Achieved from old lore thread by Japanese community)
Ileum:
- Ileum's story is that she decides to join the fight, as the Lab 8 kids are in danger or that Big Band needs help (Achieved from old lore thread by Japanese community)
Scythana:
- Grendel's mother and Scythana are not related. (Achieved from old lore thread by Japanese community)
Aeon:
- Aeon's torso can rotate (Achieved from old lore thread by Japanese community)
Parasites:
- Parasites are immortal as long as they are connected to a host, but cannot produce offsprings
- Synthetic Parasites are extremely difficult to mass produce. Natural Parasites are impossible to reproduce. (Achieved from old lore thread by Japanese community)
- The transplantation of Synthetic Parasites is extremely dangerous, and the mortality rate of the patient is high. (Achieved from old lore thread by Japanese community)
The Trinity:
- The Mother goddess may also have a Parasite, but Alex was not forthcoming with details. (Achieved from old lore thread by Japanese community)
ASG Labs:
- There used to be several ninja nurse units, but all but the Last Hope have already disappeared (Achieved from old lore thread by Japanese community)
- In contrast to Lab 0, Lab 8 is often regarded as a benign entity (Achieved from old lore thread by Japanese community)
- Lab 7 was inspired by the CIA's MK Ultra experiment
While I was searching, I actually came across a Japanese fan thread on shitaraba.net (https://jbbs.shitaraba.net/bbs/read.cgi/game/54363/1332489387/) (archive URL: https://archive.ph/s9Yd7). It seems that there were English-speaking Japanese fans who were translating what we posted in the Big Fat Lore thread into Japanese for other Japanese fans. These seem to include info from the later pages that I thought had been lost forever. I'm not sure I can quite convey my excitement through text.
So, here they are. I'm not very good at Japanese so I used machine translation and had to edit some wording or spelling.
It's obviously worth to note that these are tertiary sources (translated from Japanese translated from English from forum posts of information confirmed on streams that had been deleted), so the reliability of the info is probably not the highest, but honestly it's not much worse than most of the info already in this thread. Usual disclaimers apply.
Whaaaaat this is amazing! I'm glad you were able to find this considering how much info has come from this--awesome job!!
- It is confirmed that Umbrella has innate necromancy power due to her Skullgirl blood, and in the past has (unknowingly?) used it to revive a corpse by being near
Isaac:
- It is no coincidence that both Isaac and Aeon can manipulate time; they are connected. (Achieved from old lore thread by Japanese community)
Glad to hear some old information was recovered. Now I can sit here and ponder how big a paradox we are looking at here if any. I doubt Isaac is responsible for the genesis of the trinity but in Eliza's blurb it's stated that Aeon and Venus died during some old war so did Isaac accidentally save the sisters or something? Or is this the kind of connection where time travel has a fixed pool of energy that everyone who manipulates it has to share so Aeon going after Isaac is more akin to guarding a limited resource.
Glad to hear some old information was recovered. Now I can sit here and ponder how big a paradox we are looking at here if any. I doubt Isaac is responsible for the genesis of the trinity but in Eliza's blurb it's stated that Aeon and Venus died during some old war so did Isaac accidentally save the sisters or something? Or is this the kind of connection where time travel has a fixed pool of energy that everyone who manipulates it has to share so Aeon going after Isaac is more akin to guarding a limited resource.
Yeah, I think what it was getting at is that both Aeon and Isaac potentially draw from the same pool of energy that allow both of them to manipulate time, in their own ways.
We know that Isaac is able to time travel using a special kind of Theonite. Aeon uses her Parasite, Khronos, to time travel. Parasites are, of course, made from Theonite. Perhaps the special kind of Theonite that Isaac found is connected to Khronos.
- It is confirmed that Umbrella has innate necromancy power due to her Skullgirl blood, and in the past has (unknowingly?) used it to revive a corpse by being near
I know that Umbrella's a very special case, but now I can't help but wonder if Painwheel might have similar abilities. At least, to a lesser degree.
Umbrella is unknowingly keeping Franz alive. :P
I assume Hungern is also keeping Umbrella from raising the dead. This might be another reason why she was given Hungern, lol.
Seems possible! Although my own guess is a bit different. I mean, Umbrella probably needs to be near to corpses in order to raise them, and her area of effect would probably be a lot smaller than a regular Skullgirl. She might not even know her dad is still around and they don't seem to have met for a long time.
On the other hand, who is it that Umbrella is close by to all the time.
Yeah, I think what it was getting at is that both Aeon and Isaac potentially draw from the same pool of energy that allow both of them to manipulate time, in their own ways.
Okay, Aeon has Isaac, and Venus has Squigly. I wonder about the Mother's unwanted company now...
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