This was brought up during the first couple weeks of the Annie beta in maincord beta discussion, people argued about it for a couple of days but Liam came out and said that it was staying but I think he tightened up the window to be able to burst AC, so I think that the chances of that changing again are pretty low.
I agree it gives fortune way to much extra dmg... but they do look cool.
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Posts like this are unproductive and contribute nothing. Knock it off.
Changing satiated and overstuffed to be a bit less awful isn't really the issue that's preventing umbrella from being able to "compete with everyone" (provided this only being an issue because of how few people are willing to give this character a chance anymore, i doubt she can't already). If we're sticking with the design of "ravenous or bust" which I've already complained about, and ravenous is already fine, these changes won't affect her power.
I do agree w all of this as well. I almost brought up 6lp but i thought that was just a me thing rather than iy being a problem w the character. im glad im not the only one w that issue. also idk if u can rlly do anything abt reyina just being bad against zoners tbh. like idk what else they would do to it to make it better at stopping zoners from just jumping over. idk like i said earlier i really just thought a lot of the issues ur stating were just me problems but im glad other umbrellas think so. (i think they took away throw invuln from rush so that u use cmk more but thats still really dumb)
That’s a fair take, and I don’t disagree that the basis of Umbrella’s design should be centered around attaining and maintaining Ravenous.
I don't think anyone is asking for straight nerfs to solos, I think they really just need an overhaul. I feel that terrible neutral balanced by obscene damage is too polarizing and I'd like to see both extremes adjusted. I think just give them some kind of neutral tool (I don't have any good ideas for what though), then you can tone down damage in exchange for that. To me, the problem with solos isn't even a matter of balance, it's a matter of fun versus frustration.
If they need neutral help maybe a universal parry for solo's that gave meter or health back could be dec, Give BB Both idk
You can't buff everything else without first toning down how insane rav is tbh, I asked for certain modes to be better for certain Mu, Believe I even asked for armor in overstuffed way back when too, As she is... she's fine if not extremely filtered and linear, If you want to see result, Id assume most umbras will just use Nope footage as reference for MU, The better your neutral the more results youll have. Very few characters can out neutral her being only robo, Fukua and Val and even than its still smells when shes in rav tbh. Hell I even wanted her level 3 to be a level 5 when in starving and to do a bit of extra damage as a reverse cashout but perhaps Im too mad for wanting to see a character with interesting gameplay. As is its Rav into either Sq rt/scramble and she usually wins scrambles, I could see headless giving her issues if the heads behind but I dont play that character. For Rav nerfs, Make j.mp not restand so you cant get iad jump back j.mp slurp conversion* Guacced Interaction btw*, Slightly decrease the hitbox on 2mp and make 2mk hit mid---If umbrellas complain make cmk overhead or low with a puddle. Ive got alot of suggestions on how she could be changed to be a more well rounded character, That Idea MAchi dropped about slurp eating projectiles is nice, It would be even nicer if it actually fed hungering and made her go into overstuffed faster or whatever, Idk She cool just boring rn Imo and could be much more complete, Rav filter designed really hurt her popularity and ease of access I guess. Tldr; Different Umbrella states should have diff MU Spreads not just Rav I win.
Headless is annoying but if i can create enough space i can stomp on the head to force her to approach
2MP is large but I feel like the whole "bad movement big buttons" philosophy should show in the matchup. You should learn to respect that at midrange Umbrella can just sorta poke you. The only egregious part is looping 2MP slurp on pushblock, which even then can be dp'd and pbgc'd out of.
Slurp eating projectiles/proj invuln would make any double gun, para shot, annie crescent, and other fireball have braindead answers whose only response would be a cancel into super, which, if umbrella has any meter, they additionally need to have a dhc prepared as well. When balancing around zoner matchups specifically, keep in mind what any anti-projectile changes does to other matchups.
It's almost as if the funneling was a bad design to begin with, Make the other modes slightly better, Make overstuffed the long range slow armored mode, rav should be fast with slightly smaller normal and with a decent approach option that would go away when reaching overstuffed. That was the slurp buff I asked for. Given time nope. more individuals will see how much fun playing this character is/ against and its just kinda meh to me, Increasing the viability of other modes can only help the characters design and viability in the eyes of the common folk. I understand nobody is doing what your doing, but they will, Most of these cat girl meta people are Honers not Innovates like most of Nap, So you gotta give the world time to catch up. Im even wondering if making Rav the op option was due to time constraints, cause even though the character is complete and good, She doesn't "feel" that way
would you say having to constantly stay in red makes TT/throw/grinder obsolete since you're flushing rav down the toilet for gratifying damage, but after a reset you risk playing yellow neutral?
People tend to spend bar before they reach three, especially in the point position
Thats literally the universal counterplay but people are too afraid to contest or miss the head cand get nommed for it
Imagine if filia was only able to get her dashes by either
It is part of Umbrella's design philosophy for her to have big buttons but bad movement. I used my buttons here in a specific way that allows me to get this conversion, as well as managed my hunger well enough to allow this conversion in the first place.
Also, if it does KD, beside being an unnecessary change, it only makes the conversion more likely, just with the caveat that it immediately uses OTG. Punishing me for properly spacing and taking advantage of my buttons just seems cheap. The recovery on jMP, especially on whiff, leaves it very open to being punished.
You should learn to respect that at midrange
Mashing a NORMAL to beat a THROW option is still ultimately a risk. If your opponent is doing this to you, instead of thinking "I should be grabbing her" you should be thinking "Why am I not collecting my FREE COUNTERHIT COMBO MID RESET" and dont you dare say that you know this move exists and your gonna reset with a low, because thats just not being knowledgeable about the matchup
Umbrella's current design is very reminiscent of Pheonix Wright from UMVC3. She literally transforms from like, Bottom-Mid to arguably the most broken character in the game by being in rav. But you have to cycle your resources. I tried learning her and there we're many situations where I did a reset, it whiffed, and then I was starving and had to scramble at the close range to get my ravenous back.
no, because not only can you route such that you get back to rav quick (i've seen mid combo routes but I'm skeptical of their practicality), but you shouldn't be doing those in the first place (full chomps) unless you expect to kill or swap out.
