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Skullgirls Lore Speculation

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Just because there's a group of people named after holidays doesn't mean the SG universe knows about those holidays.
I mean, they probably exist there but for all I know it could be a gigantic coincidence.
 
It's like the Beowulf myth doesn't exist or the story of Samson and Deliah within the universe, and yet the names just so happen to suit the people they are given to and mirror the stories they are based off of.
The case of Last Hope is kind of funny, because they're code names given as a set in reference to holidays that shouldn't really exist (all of the holidays there names reference have Christian roots, save for Hallow) but chalk it up to crazy coincidences, multiple realities (same reason behind Venus and Aeon's video games) and references for the sake of it.
 
Like Mike says, just because there is a character called Christmas, it doesn't mean that there is a holiday called Christmas in the universe (not in the way we understand it anyway), like how we have other characters named after things in our universe that most likely don't exist in the Skullgirls universe. For example, I doubt they have the Torah or the Bible (where many characters in the game have their names originated from, such as Samson or Leviathan) or the Beowulf poem, or the Gilgamesh epic, etc., etc. It's likely just an artistic thing that doesn't have/need any in-universe explanation.

On the other hand, since they do have an analogue to Christianity, it does seem plausible that they may have an analogue to the Christmas holiday, but I highly doubt they would call it Christmas.

Edit: Did Medici Mob Boss just ninja my post with almost exactly the same points
 
Alright I get it, jeez.
I never believed that the Assassin's name was definitive proof of the existence of Christmas in the Skullgirls Universe, but considering how many parallels it draws with the real world I would think that they share similar holidays.
 
Now I think about names, isn't Patty a short version of Patricia? Do Patty and Peacock have the same first name? That's kinda cute.
 
All the members of Last Hope used holiday-based codenames, though. In this case Patty is short for Patrick, as in St. Patrick's Day.
Her real name's probably Patrice or something considering how these codnames/birth names have been going.
 
TheMightyBox said:
All the members of Last Hope used holiday-based codenames, though. In this case Patty is short for Patrick, as in St. Patrick's Day.
Her real name's probably Patrice or something considering how these codnames/birth names have been going.
How many of The Last Hope's birthnames do we know for sure? I think I remember Alex implying Valentine's was Valerie, is that right?
 
Valentine's real name is Valerie, yes.
That's the only one we know at this point.
But Alex has also said that Roxie's real name is Rosie, so.
 
chickenwithtie said:
Now I think about names, isn't Patty a short version of Patricia? Do Patty and Peacock have the same first name? That's kinda cute.
I've thought that myself. Pretty funny.

chillbean said:
How many of The Last Hope's birthnames do we know for sure? I think I remember Alex implying Valentine's was Valerie, is that right?
I was under the impression that they were Christine, Ester, Patty and Holly. But do not take my word for it.

Denizen said:
Alright I get it, jeez.
I never believed that the Assassin's name was definitive proof of the existence of Christmas in the Skullgirls Universe, but considering how many parallels it draws with the real world I would think that they share similar holidays.
We're not berating you, your comment just got us musing on the concept. We liked to go on tangents on this thread.
There is the picture of the Lab kids celebrating Halloween (by Alex) and there is all the Valentine Valentine's Day cards. But who knows?

Chrono_Tata said:
Edit: Did Medici Mob Boss just ninja my post with almost exactly the same points
Don't you just hate it when that happens?
At least it was just ALMOST the same points, I discuss the multiple reality thing in mine. While you discuss Trinity-ism and the unlikelyhood of Christmas existing due to the lack of Christ in the Skullgirls universe... unless there's parasite named Jesus.
 
Medici Mob Boss said:
I was under the impression that they were Christine, Ester, Patty and Holly.
Yeah I'm pretty sure those are their official names, but I can't find a source for the life of me.
 
WaterMystic277 said:
Actually it's Hollow, not Holly.
So wait her codename is Hallow and her real name is Hollow?
I coulda sworn it was Holly.
 
WaterMystic277 said:
Actually it's Hollow, not Holly.

Do you have the source? It would be unusual for the rest of the team to have traditional names, and Hallow's to be a quite out there name.
 
Hrmph. Other than the Skullgirls wikia page, I also can't find an official source for The Last Hope (Lab 7) members' names. The wiki lists them as:

name (codename)
  • Valerie (Valentine)
  • Holly (Hallow)
  • Pauline (Patty)
  • Christine (Christmas)
  • Esther (Easter)
As for the holidays and needing a Christian religion in their universe, Skullgirls can just be set far in the distant future. Look at our days of the week. We got Norse gods, all but forgotten (in the direct relation or reverence sense) named there. Wednesday (Odin's day), Thursday (Thor's day) etc. Or go into other languages and you have relics of the Roman pantheon (Wednesday = Miércoles = Mercury, Tuesday = Martes = Mars).

There could have been a Parasite called Jesus, but in the SG universe it's religion got absorbed or usurped by the Trinity. They have the inverted cross as their symbol. It is difficult seeing the use of that symbol if there wasn't a Roman empire doing crucifixions to inspire it. Just as the Nazi's appropriated the swastika, maybe the Trinity took and spun the cross for their own use.

Or it is all wonderful coincidences; like Horace and Albus and their ancient Egyptian god counterparts, Horus and Anubis.
 
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The trinity is probably worshipped for their godlike abilities which more than likely are exaggerated through the same means Double used to spread word of the skullheart seems like more of an ironic thing when Alex names his characters though it should be noted that in someway those characters hold atleast one trait similar to their original source. @Medici Mob Boss, it should be taken with a grain of salt that just cause Alex draws the characters celebrating a holiday doesn't mean they may celebrate the holiday in the actual universe though I believe they do

Edit: @Medici Mob Boss forget what i said minus the I believe they do part
 
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chillbean said:
Do you have the source? It would be unusual for the rest of the team to have traditional names, and Hallow's to be a quite out there name.
Denizen said:
So wait her codename is Hallow and her real name is Hollow?
I coulda sworn it was Holly.

Oh I thought you meant her codename, my bad.
Other then Alex saying Valerie for Val's, I haven't seen anything else.
 
I asked, Alex says:
"There are several coincidences and parallels in the SG world that give it the same language and holiday names as ours. They may not have had our exact Jesus, but somebody else there is considered annointed so they ended up with a holiday celebrating them named Christmas."
 
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Mike_Z said:
I asked, Alex says:
"There are several coincidences and parallels in the SG world that give it the same language and holiday names as ours. They may not have had our exact Jesus, but somebody else there is considered annointed so they ended up with a holiday celebrating them named Christmas."
Mike, what are you doing in the lore thread? You're clearly lost.

(Also thank you <3 )
 
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Cellsai said:
Mike, what are you doing in the lore thread? You're clearly lost.

(Also thank you <3 )
He was up late working on a build, and wandered in here looking for coffee, thinking it was the break room. "Alex said there's Christmas and everything, now just pass me the sweet n low, please. Shit."

Yes, he wakes up in the evening. There's a method.
 
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This information is appreciated but what I really want to know are the ages of the NPCs.
Especially the deceased members of Last Hope.
 
Always thought Patty was underage.
 
Muro said:
People were wondering whether Patty is legal since 2012.
Please don't be jail bait.
Please be legal.
Please God.
 
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BallotBoxer said:
Hrmph. Other than the Skullgirls wikia page, I also can't find an official source for The Last Hope (Lab 7) members' names. The wiki lists them as:

name (codename)
  • Valerie (Valentine)
  • Holly (Hallow)
  • Pauline (Patty)
  • Christine (Christmas)
  • Esther (Easter)
Hmm. If the Skullgirls wikia is the only source for this, I would take it with a grain of salt. The wikia is infamous for listing wrong or completely made-up information, lore- and gameplay-wise.
 
Didn't it once list a fan-made RP bio as Eliza's official Likes/Dislikes?
 
When did that happen?
 
A little before Eliza was released.
I think at some point when she was still in the Beta.
 
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This pic brought up elsewhere by @Denizen just fuelled a headcanon of mine:

For a parasite to successfully bond with a human, it needs to either be convincing enough to make the human want to bond, or strong enough to force the human into it and take over. There are parasites that are capable of neither, resorting to bonding with animals exclusively to survive, seeing how they have simpler minds and are easier to control. Human-parasites consider them weak lowlife, and due to the ostracism animal-parasites receive from both humans and other parasites, they are generally full of complexes and spite.
 
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So I know this is gonna sound obvious but I don't think it was stated...Delilah lived in the same era with Lamia and probably died during Eliza's stint helping or protecting Lamia or her daughters. Facts indicate that the battle took place years upon years ago, Delilah's clothes show she lived in a Greek-Roman era where in the ruins of Gehenna we see Greek-Roman inspired ruins. Samson holds her to a level of respect almost border line infatuation which can be translated into this is his first host she's always gonna hold a special spot in his heart similar to your first love interest or first sexual occasion (whether good or bad). Lamia's clothes suggest she lived in the same era though Venus' outfit could cause a rebuttal to which I say how sure are you she didn't wear a more modest outfit in her time. We know Eliza lived in the same era and once Theons bestowed their power to man, Eliza grew some cojones to challenge the status quo. We know that a battle ensued and its not to assume that Eliza walked up to Delilah and said Samson is mine lets fight and that Delilah was actually being loyal to her Queen. Words from Leviathan who was present during the attack suggested Samson was a loyal respectable friend who only after his "first love" died, became cold and distant and we know its cause he lost something he cared about later revealed to be Delilah. What if Delilah was protecting her kingdom's royalty and lost her life doing so. It would make sense since Samson doesn't show resentment to the trinity but flip flops on using the skullheart to go back to those times though in the presence of Leviathan he is known to change his mind and that one day Filia will be his greatest host and he'll move on but hey that's just a theory... a game theory
 
So, thinking about a line from Eliza's story mode...

Humankind twists the facts of our lives into fairy tales. We grace them with power as their champions, and they call us Parasites or reduce our brethren to mere tools.

I think Alex Ahad said the Parasites and Living Weapons have "related, unrevealed origins," no? And that LW have a limited sentience, somewhat akin to a dog?

As such, I think the Living Weapons are Parasites that have had their human-connectivity parts removed, effectively lobotomizing them.

Now, thinking about Krieg... and Hungern... and Tod... Where's the Pest? We know that Krieg was handed down throughout the Renoire family for generations. And that, according to the wiki, "Some Parasites can go into 'minimal' states like a bacteria going into a cyst form, but it won’t last them forever."

I think that, way back when, there was likely some sort of "Four Horsemen Gang" that the Renoires fought on their rise to power. War/Famine/Death were captured and converted to something a little more malleable, but Pestilence got away. Pest can hide. Pest can be patient. Always there, never quite eliminated. "Like a bacteria." Corrupting the Canopy from the roots. Watching. Waiting for the right time to strike.

Now, what about Vice Versa?

Well, we know the Medicis made a LOT of enemies over the years. And we know Cerebella's the only person who's been able to properly use Vice Versa. Given this speculation on how to make Living Weapons, I think there was some goody-goody with a parasite who hated the Medicis and tried to break their operations. The Medicis won, killed the host, and attempted making the parasite a tool they could use. However, they didn't have quite the scientific resources of the Renoires, so the Medicis got something a little more finicky. A proper Mafioso would likely get choked by the hat as soon as he put it on, but if somebody with the original host's nature were to wear it... somebody pure of heart, like a certain circus acrobat... the hat might be more receptive.
 
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The Dave said:
I think the Living Weapons are Parasites that have had their human-connectivity parts removed, effectively lobotomizing them.
Someone already said the exact same thing in this thread.
I mean I completely disagree and I believe that people are misinterpreting Eliza's line, but give the thread a read.
CEREBELLA ISN'T PURE OF HEART YOU SOCIOPATHS. SHE'S A MURDERING MEDICI LAPDOG.
 
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Denizen said:
Someone already said the exact same thing in this thread.
I mean I completely disagree and I believe that people are misinterpreting Eliza's line, but give the thread a read.
CEREBELLA ISN'T PURE OF HEART YOU SOCIOPATHS. SHE'S A MURDERING MEDICI LAPDOG.

Good read, I didn't see that thread before. Thanks!
Now, now, "pure evil" is still "pure."
Besides, Cerberus can guard Hades and still be a good widdle puppy, yes he is, yes he is!
 
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