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Skullgirls Lore Speculation

Medici Mob Boss said:
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(Lorenzo looks pretty healthy here, old, but healthy.)
You played Eliza's Story Mode right?
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Denizen said:
You played Eliza's Story Mode right?
Cause you should know that he's not healthy, he's fucking dying.
Jesus effin' Christ Zen... I just-

If I didn't realize the guy was unbelievably old and sickly why the hell would I feel the need comment when he looked healthy in his office????

THINK DUDE.
 
Medici Mob Boss said:
If I didn't realize the guy was unbelievably old and sickly why the hell would I feel the need comment when he looked healthy in his office????

THINK DUDE.
Okay kid you're being overly defensive and insulting right now and you need to stop.


It just looked like you were using that image as your only reference to what the guy looked like and I'd thought I'd correct you. Also the image is so low quality that you can't make any proper judgement from it, to me it still looks like he's unhealthy. The image is old too, y'all gotta realize that Skullgirls has changed a lot since it first released.
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"Aggressive" is pretty rich coming from you...
And it's always lame when you call somebody 'Kid' when trying to sound superior.
You being contradictory on every thread is getting real old "Sport," it's like you just come to this Forum to argue. Work on it.

And he seems to have more weight on him in the background of Medici Tower than he does is in Fortune and Peacock's endings. And yeah, he's even worse off from the get-go in Eliza's story mode (for some reason)
 
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I don't even-
I didn't come here to start an argument what the fuck. I thought you weren't aware what Lorenzo looked like nowadays so I provided a reference and you snapped at me. I don't see how I'm being contradictory right now and the only reason I'm calling you kid is because you basically called me ignorant and I thought you were younger than me.

I may be a hot-headed guy but I'm not looking for a fight so please don't start them with me, fucking chill out.
 
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Now if we could take a break from hating me for trivial reasons I have an actual question to pose.

How long does Lorenzo have left? I honestly don't think he'll last very long without the Life Gem, but figuring that out depends on when Fortune stole it.
 
Denizen said:
How long does Lorenzo have left? I honestly don't think he'll last very long without the Life Gem, but figuring that out depends on when Fortune stole it.

I would have to agree. The aging process is catching up to him. The way he panics and worries would make it seem he has a year left (in real time of course) I would say he had the Life Gem roughly around the time the Reniors annexed Meridian
 
I agree with all of that but I would say he has far less time than a year.
Again that all really depends on how long Fortune has had the Gem.
 
PKStoopKid said:
I would have to agree. The aging process is catching up to him. The way he panics and worries would make it seem he has a year left (in real time of course) I would say he had the Life Gem roughly around the time the Reniors annexed Meridian
There's a bit of a debate going on between those who believe Lorenzo is descended from the original Meridian Ruler and those who believe he was one of them.
Either way I feel that Lorenzo should long dead and his window of time to live without the crystal is getting narrower and narrower.

As far as Zen's question of "how long" there are some serious complications.
By the end of Fortune and Peacock's stories is he looking old a decrepit, but not diseased/rotting, and he still has some energy and poise in him. But in Eliza's story he is pretty much on his way out.
We could theorize that Eliza's story starts later down the line than Peacock's and so Lorenzo is more desperate for the Gem (He'd have to be desperate to put ELIZA on the job) But of course in this timeline Marie would have taken much longer to reach Medici Tower seeing how it get's destroyed in Big Band and Squigly's story modes. This is a little weird, albeit possible, just because I had assumed with the previous 2 DLC character's story modes took place a little bit later than most of the others giving Marie an opportunity to destroy the tower and for Lorenzo's men to kidnap Minette, but Eliza's story mode disproves that theory.
But at the end of the day I pretty much assume Lorenzo has the evening in which everything happens to live and he just looked more rotten in Eliza's story because they decided to represent him that way (the same way character's hair colors have changed as the world develops) And because of this he is desperate as hell, he sends Cerebella, he sends Eliza and he sends all his other goons out because he knows if he doesn't get the Gem back he'll be dead by morning.
 
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I feel the same way where it was just an artist thing where he looked one way and as they improved, so did he (more or less). The thing about Lorenzo to me is, the life gem allows you to live long as long as its in your possession and when you lose it the years it accumulated come back full force. Lorenzo was said to be able to atleast survive attacks from Skullgirls which means that either the Gem granted other abilities or Lorenzo lost something else as for him being a descendent, I think it was stated but don't quote me on that
 
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I like to think that part of why he seems to be rapidly aging has a couple factors:

-For the differences in each piece of art posted above, I feel that he starts of having a certain period where he needs to recharge, once passing the deadline it starts to pick up the pace a bit. Imagine it's like a pause button. Let's say he stopped aging at 56, well, once past the recharge point, he'll be 56 and a minute, aging normally for the first couple of days, then, after a bit more, it stars exponentially growing -- he ages days in hours, then at some point, he ages decades in a day, until finally his condition has nothing more to do with age and he's literally falling apart.

-Another theory I have is that since Fortune got the gem and reawakened, it's made his aging catastrophic (pun not intended) I feel that the energy or however it works is taking back his youth with interest now that it's with a new host.
 
Because I cannot stop thinking about Beowulf's Story Mode, I'm going to discuss what we've got so far. We might even need a new thread based on this.

What we've known from Beowulf up to this day are:
  1. Beowulf was a pro-wrestler who retired early because he killed Grendel's mother to prevent her from eating the audience.
  2. Grendel is revealed to still be alive and is part of Beowulf's action portrait.
  3. Beowulf will return from retirement to the streets because he wonders if his retirement was his limit.
  4. Aside from his name (and Grendel's) his moves are based on terms found in the poem Beowulf that are not common in the modern English world, in particular "Wulf", "Geatish", "Heorot", and "Naegling".
  5. He has a wolf motif, with a wolf logo and moves akin to a wolf, in particular Three Wulf Moonsault, Aroo Ready? and his burst. Other less-important notes include his expressive hood.
  6. Other character's quotes against him that seem to be related to his Story Mode include:
    • Parasoul's "You're in over your head.", "Take him to custody." and "You served our cause back then. You should just retire now."
    • Double's "You will regret challenging the Skullgirl." Note that this is Double's only quote that is related to the Skullgirl.
    • To a less extent, Cerebella's "So, you can still sign my hat... right?" and "It was an honor..."
    • Peacock's quotes against Beowulf mention her friend, Andy, who said that Beowulf would return from his retirement from Peacock's Story Mode.
    • Filia, Ms. Fortune, Squigly, Big Band, and Eliza also have quotes for him, but probably not too relevant to the story.
What I get based on the information is that:
  1. He either didn't originally come from the Canopy Kingdom and he's from the Meridian version of Geatland/Sweden (like how Eliza's from the Meridian version Egypt) or that himself or his family was influenced by Geatish literature.
  2. He might be a Feral due to his wolf-ish acts. I don't know where the source is, but supposedly male Ferals look more human than female Ferals. For the wolf skin he's wearing, I'm speculating that it used to be Beowulf's own skin that shed earlier in his life. Yes, including his teeth.
  3. In the beginning of his Story Mode he would somehow clash into Parasoul for doing something either illegal or talking bad of her family, which gives Parasoul the need to arrest him. Later on Double's quote indicates that Beowulf is out to fight the Skullgirl just to challenge his limits.
  4. Cerebella would fight against Beowulf for fun. Either she fights against him in the NMO Arena or Beowulf just happens to find Cerebella and is willingly ready to wrestle. When Peacock meets Beowulf, Andy will point at him and fanboys. Perhaps Beowulf asks Peacock to challenge him as well, based on Peacock's quote: "Whatever, Andy! I can take him!"
  5. Grendel might be in the game as a boss and that's probably where Beowulf will have an assist. As for Beowulf's assist, it's either Parasoul, Cerebella, or Peacock. I'm going with Parasoul for now because Peacock assisted Big Band while Cerebella assissted Eliza.
My current speculation of Beowulf's backstory which is also based on the poem is that he used to be a prince of a kingdom (possibly what is now part of No Man's Land). He didn't want to be a prince (he wasn't the crown prince anyway) and he's very adventurous so he traveled to the Canopy Kingdom without ever returning. That's when he started his pro-wrestling career.

OK what else can you think based on the information we're given?
 
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Kuzlalala said:
He might be a Feral due to his wolf-ish acts. I don't know where the source is, but supposedly male Ferals look more human than female Ferals. For the wolf skin he's wearing, I'm speculating that it used to be Beowulf's own skin that shed earlier in his life. Yes, including his teeth.
This is the only thing I feel I need to correct you on, otherwise everything else is sound.
Beowulf is not a Feral, he's confirmed just a Human. Also, I don't know where you heard that information about male ferals but from what we've seen from the NPCs in the various backgrounds of stages it looks like male ferals are actually more animal like than female ferals. I would just chalk that up to artistic license but there could be a canon explanation.

By the way thank you for quoting the character's lines, I haven't heard them yet.
 
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Denizen said:
This is the only thing I feel I need to correct you on, otherwise everything else is sound.
Beowulf is not a Feral, he's confirmed just a Human. Also, I don't know where you heard that information about male ferals but from what we've seen from the NPCs in the various backgrounds of stages it looks like male ferals are actually more animal like than female ferals. I would just chalk that up to artistic license but there could be a canon explanation.

By the way thank you for quoting the character's lines, I haven't heard them yet.
So...

By Feral's do you mean the Furry NPC's like the Boar cop in Big Bands story and some of the NPC's in the River King Casino and Class Canopy stages? Also, is "Feral" an actual cannon term (Since questioning Alex gets alot of cannon info) or is it a term were just using...
 
Mc.Rad said:
By Feral's do you mean the Furry NPC's like the Boar cop in Big Bands story and some of the NPC's in the River King Casino and Class Canopy stages? Also, is "Feral" an actual cannon term (Since questioning Alex gets alot of cannon info) or is it a term were just using...
Yeah, any animal person in Skullgirls is a Feral, except for the fish people who are collectively called Dagonians.
Ms. Fortune is a cat Feral, and yeah it's a canon term. It's been said several times in the story mode.

Also it's spelled Canon, not Cannon.
 
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Denizen said:
By the way thank you for quoting the character's lines, I haven't heard them yet.

I found Parasoul's, Ms. Fortune's, and Peacock's (and Cerebella's as well? I forgot) on the game itself, while the rest are found on the wiki, spotted by other players.

Finding that there's a thread to discuss Eliza's story mode speculation, and considering how Beowulf's Story Mode speculation thread can turn into a Story Mode discussion I'm going to move my detailed analysis into a separate thread.
 
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So... I was wondering, is there an actual hell in Skullgirls? Not like Gehenna, but like Hell itself? I mean some characters use the word hell alot (even Samson says it in his selection voice... Thingy). Not only that, but Leviathan actually talks about Satan in one of the Daisy Punisher quotes. ... Ether this is something wierd or this is a continuity error
 
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They have a religion based on Christianity, so Hell in Skullgirls is probably about as real as it is in our world.
 
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Mc.Rad said:
So... I was wondering, is there an actual hell in Skullgirls? Not like Gehenna, but like Hell itself? I mean some characters use the word hell alot (even Samson says it in his selection voice... Thingy). Not only that, but Leviathan actually talks about Satan in one of the Daisy Punisher quotes. ... Ether this is something wierd or this is a continuity error
The Satan line is actually a reference to the Street Fighter movie, where it was said by M. Bison, who in turn was paraphrasing a quote from the Bible.

Given that Alex confirmed that there are holidays with the same name as our real-life holidays such as Christmas and Halloween in the Skullgirls universe, it is entirely possible that there is a real or fictional character called Satan in the Skullgirls universe as well, but probably with some differences to "our" Satan.
 
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Mc.Rad said:
So... I was wondering, is there an actual hell in Skullgirls? Not like Gehenna, but like Hell itself? I mean some characters use the word hell alot (even Samson says it in his selection voice... Thingy). Not only that, but Leviathan actually talks about Satan in one of the Daisy Punisher quotes. ... Ether this is something wierd or this is a continuity error
Yeah I think they've got a heaven and hell, but since this is a supernatural world where the religious figures are actual characters I am a little stumped on whether or not it is 'real' in universe.

As far as continuity errors, most of Eliza's lines talk about Egyptian gods, which I reckon are more references for the sake of references than actual deities/parasites/whatevers in the Skullgirls universe.

@Kuzlalala
I'm kinda hoping we get some Parasoul in this story, she's basically only featured in her own story mode and a pretty irrelevant fight in Squigly's. I don't think she and Beowulf will have too much relevance to one another but a man can hope.

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Also I'm not entirely sure Grendel is definitely alive, I always kinda assumed he was alive (despite Beo's original biography saying he killed him) just so Beowulf will have some 'side characters' to his story. But that's pretty presumptuous of me.
The action shot has him not colored in save for his arm, to me that indicates he's dead- like 'the rest of him is missing ergo not colored in.' Hope he's alive though, he looks awesome.
At any rate we know he has a (re)design now, meaning he's got an even greater chance of appearing in Beowulf's story mode even if it's in a Squigly/Big Band style flashback.


Denizen said:
By the way thank you for quoting the character's lines, I haven't heard them yet.
Gotta they're a pretty good batch! You should give them a listen! Check out Fortune's new lines while your at it!
 
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Oh yeah, I haven't posted the Beowulf Story Mode and Other Lore discussion yet. Here it is.
 
Ooh, Satan speculation, my favorite!

Maybe back in pre-Eliza days, there was a goatlike feral who joined with a batlike Theon for wings and fire-themed abilities, and he established a terrifying underground kingdom that people were afraid of being kidnapped and taken to. That way there'd be a Hell and a fallen Lucifer (especially if the goat-feral was an adviser or noble or something) while keeping the history Parasite-themed.
 
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Sorry if this s a bit off topic, but anyone know where I can find the new Ms Fortune quotes? :3
 
Probably on the beta Skullgirls game if you're talk about online then I dunno. So how do you guys think before Alex reveals the lore to us?
 
Anyone else going crazy that they haven't teased Beowulf's story mode yet like they did for Eliza and Big Band?
I need one picture so my insane speculation can take some sort of a direction!
 
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As someone who has given up on watching trailers because they are too spoilerly, I don't mind. With very few connections to the main cast, Beowulf's story has the freedom to go anywhere. The infinite possibilities make it exciting. They could follow a fourth-wall-breaking route not unlike his reality-ripping round intro animation (think Silent Hill 2 do ending) or find a thread full of pathos and drama, like the film The Wrestler (2008).

ReSpAwNz67 said:
Sorry if this s a bit off topic, but anyone know where I can find the new Ms Fortune quotes? :3

The Skullgirls unofficial wiki has quote pages for each character, like Fortune. Here's some of her new ones (according to the change history of that page):

Round Intro
vs. Big Band: Does punching you count as beatboxing?
vs. Eliza: You're seriously creeping meowt!
vs. Beowulf: Let the dog out.

Win
vs. Eliza: Talk about crazy cat lady, Jeez....
vs. Big Band: Get out of here, you've just got can!
vs. Beowulf: I taught old dog new trick: play dead.

Incidentally, the canon info thread:
- Leviathan was attached to Roberto’s arm/shoulder area and was visible externally.
I was going to do a comic that takes place 14 years ago and couldn't settle on how Roberto Contiello and Leviathan appear.

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Does Lev slide between the seams, curl around to fit, or does Roberto have his clothing altered by a tailor to include a hole for the parasite? When Roberto wears a tux, does Leviathan wear a tie too? Is the tail hidden in the sleeve, or is it internal to the host?

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From the only image of Roberto, it looks like Leviathan burst out of his right shoulder. Is it torn because he left in a hurry, or was there no hole? Since there is a stigma against humans with parasites, perhaps Leviathan opts to be hidden for public occasions. Hanging from the upper arm, coiled around the forearm and silently peeking from the long sleeve cuff (easy to dart out and chomp a hors d'oeuvre).
 
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@BallotBoxer
You... you draw Roberto?
You're awesome.

Hmm.. They both work. I think the tailored hole looks better, especially for comic purposes. Constricts Lev less.
I imagine since Roberto is unashamed of Lev he probably would wear a special blazer to accommodate him.
This is making me realize I want more info on Roberto and Lev's relationship... wish he talked to Squigly about her dad.

Sorry to sound like a dick though,
but I am under the impression the white Leviathan we all know and love is in fact his undead appearance- like the skeleton or husk of his original red fleshy self.

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Wonder what his connection to Abaddon could be...

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For comparison.

And in Squigly's story mode...
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I'm working off the crack theory that Leviathan is one of Abaddon's many heads that was cut off and made independent.

At any rate the comic sounds really interesting and you picked some great untapped subject matter, so put story and visuals over 100% accuracy, and by that I mean don't stress about representing Leviathan's appearance accurately if you would prefer making him recognizable to fans or would just prefer to draw him as we know him. Don't let lore-nerd-sticking influence you!
 
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That actually confused me when I was playing Squig's story. Why was Leviathon red here and have his head in a weird shape? I think you might be right there. Either that or being dormant so long wore away at him, making him what he is now. I assume that if Squigly were to stay alive long enough, Leviathon could possibly return to his red self. But hey, Samson was still able to completely recognize him
 
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I thought that at first, but he's like completely coated then, there's no splatter or breaks in the colour, the blue/whitish bits are highlights and also, as Medici Mob Boss noted, it seems that Levi had some fleshy covering before his current skeletal appearance, and that pov shot of him doesn't look at dry, boney and segmented.
 
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Leviathan doesn't really look boney either. In his default appearance his body is as smooth as a snake (or a worm?) It was only in certain conditions that make him look segmented.

However I do want to point out that red Levi's head looks different from the current Levi.
 
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I think his less boney default look is due to the "detail reduction" for his drawing. It's pretty common to reduce the details when drawing cartoon-style pictures, especially when it needs to be animated, but to bring back the details when Leviathan is being "focussed" on in her animations, such as for attacks that use him. it's the same kind of technique when fists are drawn as slightly bigger for punches or feet are drawn slightly bigger for kicks; it doesn't mean that the character is making their limbs bigger but it's an animation technique to focus on the active body parts.
 
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@BallotBoxer - If Leviathin's true form is white then that means because of all the red (blood) on him then he must have been totally inside of Roberto's body, not just hanging out of his shoulder. And the exit wound just so happened to be Roberto's shoulder.
 
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